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Shifting From Agency to Software, Female Entrepreneurship and Empowement with Sheri Chaney Jones

September 28, 2022 Taylor Shanklin Episode 5
Shifting From Agency to Software, Female Entrepreneurship and Empowement with Sheri Chaney Jones
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Shifting From Agency to Software, Female Entrepreneurship and Empowement with Sheri Chaney Jones
Sep 28, 2022 Episode 5
Taylor Shanklin

Today we talk some shizzle with Sheri Chaney Jones, who is a powerful leader amongst women in the entrepreneurial world. Measurement, Leadership, and Female Empowerment, are just some of the areas where Sheri accels, and we are going to chop it up with her and get the sizzle! 

Sheri is a cereal social good entrepreneur and loves working in the social good space, empowering women & women leaders. Sheri has a huge passion for using data to solve problems, she deploys these skills in many ways, including being a mom of four kids in range of 16-8 as well! Currently, she assists in helping entrepreneurs to better measure and automate their growth and strategy. In 2018 Sheri launched Sure Impact, and built a platform in which would empower her clients with data.

Learn how SureImpact was founded, and began by using data in a meaningful way. This is including a ten year old girl who was strong enough to write an essay about curing aids, and later on worked with a program in the state of Ohio, on solving the 'how do we get individuals living with aids/HIV into care facilities?' By using survey research, focus groups, and best practices, how they could compare those to organizations who didn't, and provide the information on those best practices.

  • Learn about the 5 Why's exercise- And how important this one trick / tool can be.
  • Learn how to get out of the Google Spread Sheet busy work, and find out the easy ways to learn impact framework measurements. 
  • Find out the scalable blueprint for success!
  • Passion for advocacy towards women - Coaching is a strength of Sheri's
  • Learn more about the 'Women can't' mindset' - how do you help females get out of this head space?

Sheri is a fantastic role model! Don't let go of your ambition - go out and shoot for the moon! Tune in to find out so much more.

Learn more about Sheri and Follow SureImpact here:

LinkedIn: https://www.linkedin.com/company/sureimpactinc/
Facebook: https://www.facebook.com/SureImpactInc

Twitter: https://twitter.com/SureImpactInc

Instagram: https://www.instagram.com/sureimpactinc/

Website: https://www.sureimpact.com/solutions

Read Sheri's published book here: https://www.amazon.com/Impact-Excellence-Data-Driven-Performance-Organizations/dp/1118911113

Show Notes Transcript

Today we talk some shizzle with Sheri Chaney Jones, who is a powerful leader amongst women in the entrepreneurial world. Measurement, Leadership, and Female Empowerment, are just some of the areas where Sheri accels, and we are going to chop it up with her and get the sizzle! 

Sheri is a cereal social good entrepreneur and loves working in the social good space, empowering women & women leaders. Sheri has a huge passion for using data to solve problems, she deploys these skills in many ways, including being a mom of four kids in range of 16-8 as well! Currently, she assists in helping entrepreneurs to better measure and automate their growth and strategy. In 2018 Sheri launched Sure Impact, and built a platform in which would empower her clients with data.

Learn how SureImpact was founded, and began by using data in a meaningful way. This is including a ten year old girl who was strong enough to write an essay about curing aids, and later on worked with a program in the state of Ohio, on solving the 'how do we get individuals living with aids/HIV into care facilities?' By using survey research, focus groups, and best practices, how they could compare those to organizations who didn't, and provide the information on those best practices.

  • Learn about the 5 Why's exercise- And how important this one trick / tool can be.
  • Learn how to get out of the Google Spread Sheet busy work, and find out the easy ways to learn impact framework measurements. 
  • Find out the scalable blueprint for success!
  • Passion for advocacy towards women - Coaching is a strength of Sheri's
  • Learn more about the 'Women can't' mindset' - how do you help females get out of this head space?

Sheri is a fantastic role model! Don't let go of your ambition - go out and shoot for the moon! Tune in to find out so much more.

Learn more about Sheri and Follow SureImpact here:

LinkedIn: https://www.linkedin.com/company/sureimpactinc/
Facebook: https://www.facebook.com/SureImpactInc

Twitter: https://twitter.com/SureImpactInc

Instagram: https://www.instagram.com/sureimpactinc/

Website: https://www.sureimpact.com/solutions

Read Sheri's published book here: https://www.amazon.com/Impact-Excellence-Data-Driven-Performance-Organizations/dp/1118911113

00:00.00

barlele

Hello hello friends. We are back with another episode of talking shisel where we get into all sorts of fizzling topics about how to grow your business or organization today. I'm really excited to talk about all sorts. Things in terms of measurement and leadership and female empowerment and in the realm of leadership with Sherry Cheney Jones hey Sheri how are you? It's good to have.


00:26.49

Sheri Chaney Jones

I am wonderful Taylor I'm so excited to be here.


00:32.52

barlele

You here I really like what we're going to talk about today. We're going to get into it I think a lot of hot topics that will help entrepreneurs and other female entrepreneurs too thinking through their growth journey. But before we get going tell us a little bit about who is Sheri anyways.


00:44.99

Sheri Chaney Jones

Yeah, well um I like to describe myself as a serial social entrepreneur I have more than 20 years of experience working with government nonprofit social enterprise helping them use data to solve complex social problems. Um. We range. You know I've done everything from ah impact measurement and program evaluation. But basically I have a huge passion for using data to solve complex social problems. Um. And that stems from a really early age when I went to pursue a degree in industrial and organizational psychology. Ah, partially because I was curious how we design selection tests so how do those tests that um, you know we all took in high school. Predict performance so that was something that was really fascinating to me at a really young age so that's where I went down a path of learning all about using data for prediction and becoming a statistician um and then luckily for myself. My very none job out of graduate school was helping people with severe and persistent mental illness find work. So using everything I learned about ah data and selection but putting it to the social good space. Um and helping case managers identify if someone has really high anxiety. Ah, maybe we don't want to put that individual in a really high pace job with a lot of people interaction so making sure we matched one's diagnoses with None ne's job characteristics which then led to a really fascinating career which we can talk about more um into the social sector. I worked in government for None ears then I started my first company measurement resources company which is an organizational development and research firm and then just a little over 3 years ago Almost four years ago now I launched a high-growth tech startup called shirt impact to help. Automate how nonprofits and government entities measure and communicate their impact and if that's not enough I also have four kids I'm a mom of of 4 kids that range in age from None to None so I am very very very busy. Ah, but I wouldn't want it any other way.


03:02.97

barlele

And that that wasn't enough Sherry know ever. Ah, it wasn't enough clearly.


03:10.42

Sheri Chaney Jones

Yes, but I always I am like I just always want to be 1 louder.


03:16.12

barlele

Well, you've got a range of ages to that you're parenting So that's got to be interesting but hopefully the older ones now kind of help with the younger ones is that so.


03:26.29

Sheri Chaney Jones

Yeah, yeah, my my son is on the verge of getting his driver's license. So I think our lives are going to change for the better here too. None driver in the has is much needed. Yeah.


03:39.24

barlele

That's awesome. Well I love that idea of looking at what's the problem and how do we understand data and statistics to go about solving that problem and approaching that problem. Um.


03:51.51

Sheri Chaney Jones

If.


03:55.40

barlele

What I'm curious tell me a story about 1 of the biggest social problems you have solved with data. Can you walk us through a story of like looking at in addition to the one that you kind of briefly got into what's a cool story about when you're like hey here was a problem for a client we had here's how we.


04:07.40

Sheri Chaney Jones

50 Um, yeah I think one of my um, why So many favorites I mean I've worked with None organizations in helping them use the data to solve their problems. But I think something that was really meaningful to me.


04:14.83

barlele

Ada to solve it.


04:31.25

Sheri Chaney Jones

Um, did in in some ways went full circle was ah, kind of a backstory. It's when I was 10 I wrote I won an essay contest I like to say that was my none professional kind of win because I wrote an essay that I wanted to cure aids so I was a. A young person during the Ryan white days and was you know, kind of interested in and biology and pathology and and that's what I thought I wanted to do and so I won this essay contest but now fast forward then twenty years later so I had the opportunity to work with the Ryan white. Part b program with the state of Ohio and one of the problems that they were facing was how do we get individuals living with H Iv and aids into care because the good news is today in ah in our world we have medicine. That does a really good job at at suppressing one's viral load if they have Hiv which if if they have the right medicine and they keep that viral load down. Not only will they be healthier but the transmission of the virus is reduced significantly as well. And so although I did not become a pathologist here was an opportunity. For me to to be part of the solution to be part of increasing quality of life and and also decreasing maybe the prevalence of h iv and aids and yet the the challenge that we helped leaders solve was why were people not seeking care. Um, and we did this entire datadriven research project when we always use mixed methods looking at qualitative and quantitative data. But through survey research through focus groups looking at best practices. The different clinics were using that had really high rates of engagement and care and reduction in viral. Suppression and compared those to organizations who didn't and really finding. Ah, ah, identifying and lifting up the the importance of culturally responsive care and what those best practices are and how to use you know peer supporters and and use others in the community. Um, for people to feel like like the care is safe and not stigmatizing so that's for me that was something that's really personally meaningful. Um, and and that's just an example of like the kind of work that we've we've done in the past have done in the past.


06:56.40

barlele

I Think that's awesome. That's a great story. Good job like thank you for being you and doing what you do I mean that's Amazing. I'm so bad at math I could never imagine doing like that which is so wonderful to talk to smart people like you who are good at that Stuff. Can figure it out.


07:15.24

Sheri Chaney Jones

Um, but you're you're the ying to my Yang right? because you're all things creative and branding and I'm like here's a bunch of numbers make it pretty please. Ah.


07:23.31

barlele

I Exactly I'm like probably want to put on the paper and I'll make it look good. But I can't compute it. Ah when we do. We do need each other. So let's talk about when you go in, you have a ton of.


07:29.71

Sheri Chaney Jones

Yeah, so we need each other we need each other.


07:42.30

barlele

Experience and going in and solving a lot of different types of problems with data. What does it usually look like to go into an organization you know from day one and help them figure out what to measure why to measure it.


07:45.10

Sheri Chaney Jones

In here.


07:56.40

Sheri Chaney Jones

Um, in.


08:01.22

barlele

And how that measuring that thing is going to have an impact like walk us through what that looks like because I think a lot of nonprofits really struggle with this. They don't even know what numbers to look at or what data to ah, try to understand and these days we're all swimming in data. There's so much of it.


08:18.77

Sheri Chaney Jones

Yeah, that's ah, that's the great question to ask and it's my favorite question to answer and um I always say let's start with the end in mind. So unlike maybe small business and your financial data that you're looking at every day Some smart accountants have come up.


08:19.60

barlele

But then what do we do with it and.


08:37.25

Sheri Chaney Jones

And with this like general general accepting I don't even know what they're called the Gap principles right? Those those elements where it's like across the board. These are the data Elements. You should be looking at well when we start to think about whether it's small business or social Enterprise. It's not so cut and dry. So We have to start with the end in mind. Um, and I like to take a very use this very very simple exercise called the five Y's exercise So Any leader should be asking themselves. Why do we do? What we do So think about that mission Statement If you're if you're a nonprofit or even if you're a small business but just think about. Um, that mission statement that you have or that vision you have for the world and why why do you do? What you do and so is it to end Hunger is it to like the story I Just told about helping people living with HIVAids is it to increase Wellness is it. You know, just why? Why do you do? what? you do. And so we're going to start there. Um, and and that is anything related to kind of those whys is what what you should be Measuring. Um and we say that every organization should have 3 types of data. They should have what do they do? Um so that's you know the activities you perform. Um, the people the demographics of the people that you serve So What did you do? how? well did you do it. So if we go back to that example with the organizations ah serving individuals with aids that was where that cultural competency um came in to care or you know how? well. Do you outreach and bring people into your organization. So measures of how well that quality measure and then how are people in communities better off those are your outcome measures and that's the change you want to see the behavior change you want to see in those that you serve or the changes you want to see in your community. Um, and we and when we really think about those 3 Buckets. What did you do. Ah, well did you do it and how people are better off when you have those 3 types of data in your organization. Um, then you become and you asked it. You asked me why this is so important it's because now you can stop wasting your time doing activities that don't drive to the changes you want to see in the world. And without that data. Um, it's very difficult to know one are you achieving your mission and 2 are you offering the right services to achieve those and once you have data that shows. Yes, your services are effective achieving your outcomes then um, you can scale it and and also fun. Fun thing. We found that. Organizations that have these 2 types of data and are able to Communicate. It are more successful at raising money than those who don't um so that's another really important reason why organization should want to be involved in measurement.


11:23.25

barlele

I Mean that's a great point being able to communicate the data back to your constituency I you have to understand it in the None place to be able to share stories of impact and really show your donors your supporters your volunteers your advocates. How. It's getting put into place and into practice and how what they're giving is having an impact So I think that's that's a great way to think about why you've got to understand your data. So Let's I'm curious sherry about your.


11:52.85

Sheri Chaney Jones

Um, maybe yeah.


12:02.85

barlele

Kind of shift from agency model and now also into tech so you run tell tell us a little bit the the None company you found it is more of an agency model right? And then now you've got this new high-growth tech company. What.


12:06.27

Sheri Chaney Jones

Um, if is.


12:12.80

Sheri Chaney Jones

Um, yeah, yes.


12:19.50

barlele

That evolution looked like to get into the technology and just tell us a little bit about that story about how you got there.


12:24.51

Sheri Chaney Jones

Yeah, and that's I think the the story I'm still kind of trying to figure out how did I get here? How am I now a software Ceo but it it really came out of my customers the market and what they needed so we had been helping organizations. Develop what we call their impact measurement framework so identifying for a variety of different organizations. What are those key um outcome and metrics that they should be measuring and they were coming to me and saying Sherry. We absolutely love the insights. Your firm's providing. What technology should we be using so we can have this at our fingertips and I will tell you I was so resistant. Um, you know back in the early like you know, mid 2015 ish or so um I was very resistant and would tell anybody I talked to. I'm not a software company I don't want to be a software company you know and I've learned in my life that anytime I say I am not I should just accept that. No. Yes, you are and you're going to go do that someday? Um, but ah. Really, it came out of my customers and to be honest I tried to give the idea away a couple times. Um, after I did did extensive market research and found that the product that I thought should be in the market was did not exist or the different tools that were out there didn't work the way I thought they should um. I went to some people and said hey I think this is a really good idea I'd like just just hire me to be the consultant to help. Um, you know define define the product or be the product owner. Ah, but I don't I don't need to own the technology and that was um, a couple times and that didn't work out. So finally. Um, kept getting this question over and over again and getting frustrated that no one else was taking this mantle and moving it forward. We call share impact is an impact management platform. You didn't feel like there was one out there so then in 2018 I found I went to some of my. Customers and said you know I think we'd like to build this platform. These are the things that this platform will do. Are you interested would you be interested would you buy it and we found that fifty fifty five percent so again I was very data driven into my path to this company. But 55% of our ideal customers said that if sure impact did what we said it would do they would purchase it so that I mean the data was there was evident. There was a need for this people wanted this so I found about 10 of our current customers. They gave us. Ah ah, the first year's license fee upfront without any.


15:06.65

Sheri Chaney Jones

Um, you know on a powerpoint deck alone and that was that was our our journey. That's how we began and we said okay, let's start developing it.


15:17.62

barlele

And that's fantastic I Mean you're just like here here's one powerpoint. Give us a year's license and come on board. Well that.


15:20.36

Sheri Chaney Jones

Um.


15:26.50

Sheri Chaney Jones

Um.


15:31.20

barlele

You know what? that tells me I mean it tells me that you built a lot of trust and rapport with your customers for a long time and you clearly must have done good work to where they believed in you and said make this happen and we'll buy it. Um I'm guessing the software did.


15:42.25

Sheri Chaney Jones

Um.


15:46.96

barlele

Is the software making a lot of what you do just more accessible to them or on Demand or is it different than what the agency was doing.


15:48.95

Sheri Chaney Jones

Um, yeah, so in some ways it it automates just a little bit of what the agency does how I like to explain it is um you know Quickbooks. Small businesses use Quickbooks but you still need an accountant to help you kind of put put all that together and help you you know understand the data. So what? the what your impact does is it helps our customers get out of like what I would like to say you know that Google. Sheet Excel world where you're spending all your time energy and effort just managing spreadsheets. It. It takes that um and it brings it to action and activity. So it eliminates a lot of time doing busy work and it it really just makes data collection. Um, analysis and reporting much more easier for for. We're building the capacity I should say of nonprofit organizations but we're also taking the hard out. So I mentioned these impact measurement frameworks and your earlier question about what should we be measuring. A lot of especially in the nonprofit world. The leaders who went into those jobs did so and and were grateful that they did because they have a passion for the problems that they're solving just like you said you know maybe math and numbers isn't their favorite um thing. But they understand the importance of it and so sure impact has a measures best practice measures library built right in. So if an organization comes to us and says yeah, we'd like to use technology. We're like great here's some best practice outcomes that you can be tracking and here's how to track them so we're We're really automate. We're making it easier. We're giving them the blueprint for success and not scalable and and when you're having to rely on an agency to do that. Um, it's not as not a scalable.


17:47.90

barlele

I Love it A good job I Wish you the best that Well we'll be keeping our eye on this I I've always wanted. It's funny that you say.


17:50.18

Sheri Chaney Jones

Um, thank you.


17:59.25

barlele

And we'll kind of get into some female entrepreneur stories next but it's funny that you say I never wanted to be a software Ceo and I'm like oh see I always wanted to be a software Ceo and then I started and None but like.


18:07.31

Sheri Chaney Jones

Um.


18:14.81

barlele

When I started my company my vision for it was to go software None and actually a good friend and mentor to me said you can do what you want to do first as an agency and you can learn from it and then you can build the right software so you know we've just gone in you know, opposite directions you were like I'm gonna be.


18:16.94

Sheri Chaney Jones

How interesting.


18:26.87

Sheri Chaney Jones

Um, so yeah.


18:33.40

barlele

Agency never software and then no so I love that terms. You just have to start trying things and then see what works you know and it's all it's all a process of just like continuing to throw things at the wall and see what sticks right? Well let's talk.


18:46.67

Sheri Chaney Jones

Um, yeah.


18:51.56

barlele

So your serial entrepreneur in the social impact space. You are also someone who is very passionate about being an advocate to women and I I'm really into this topic myself too I think you know when we're talking before this offline.


19:00.60

Sheri Chaney Jones

And 2


19:08.99

barlele

You mentioned about how you know you like to help coach women out of the I can't mindset and that's something that I I agree I think a lot of females think I can't do that or I can't live up in this you know quote man's world or whatever or maybe as an ah, an nor you've run into.


19:21.21

Sheri Chaney Jones

Are you.


19:26.23

barlele

You know moments in your life where you're like hey I'm going to walk in and I'm going to do my thing just the same as everyone else. How do it's kind of segue into that. How do you help other women get out of that I can't mindset in this.


19:32.54

Sheri Chaney Jones

Um, are sure.


19:44.99

Sheri Chaney Jones

Yeah I think um and I think reason just as a backup of the passion of why I'm so passionate about this is um, first and foremost I think for myself that's been my biggest obstacle that I've had to overcome for success whether it was.


19:45.00

barlele

Sector that we're in.


20:02.00

Sheri Chaney Jones

You know why was I so resistant to being the software Ceo. It's because I didn't have any in my community I didn't have any female role model. So I thought that's what that's what men did um I remember when I left the department of aging which was my government job to start measurement resources company. Again, it was how will I market myself. How will people know about me like just things that I I didn't have any examples or models. Um, and so now that I've figured a lot of this out and and have done it myself trial and error I I want to be that example I want to be that role model for other women. Um that it's possible. And then because I also am so data drivenve something that a lot of people don't know and this is one of my personal missions to totally break this statistic in this generation is that um, if you were to walk in at least in my state. It might be different in your state but in in Ohio if I were to walk into a room of 100 entrepreneurs only 2 of that 100 would be female making more than $1000000 in their business only two. So only 2% of all entrepreneurs at least in Ohio are women making over a million dollars and that's just. Unacceptable because the ratio between men and women isn't entrepreneurs is not that great. It's definitely not ah None versus None It's you know like 40% 60% so um I think that's why it's so important that we those women of us who have who figured it out and if they have accomplished these. Um, goals help others see a path forward. Um, and so you know I think one just walking the talk and being a role model and and showing you know I have a daughter that's showing her that you can be a great mom and you can ah be ambitious. I think there's something I see a lot of women stop themselves because they think well if I make enough money just to you know, pay for myself then I've been I'm successful and they are I'm not saying that they're not successful, but it's. They could have a much greater impact on the world because when you scale a business you you not only can provide well for yourself. But you in your family but you get to be a job creator. You get to be an influence. We think about all the different women's equality things in in our country and in the world. When you're the decision maker. You have greater influence to to create that change and so I think it's really important beyond just thinking about taking care of yourself and your family but with with success comes more power in political spheres and you know how policies and business policies are made so there's.


22:49.50

Sheri Chaney Jones

So much more beyond just that anyway I don't think I answered your question.


22:53.50

barlele

Um I I agree. No It's I think it's good stuff. It's you know it's something that I've thought about too as like part of my passion and purpose in my company is to help other people prosper whether that's the. Clients that we're serving but mostly the people who get to come work here and so I think maybe that's the you know women maybe tend to be more Nurturing. We are the mothers you know and you know it's two and.


23:17.31

Sheri Chaney Jones

You hear.


23:25.42

Sheri Chaney Jones

Even.


23:30.13

barlele

Often you know struggle with the balance of feeling like oh I am an ambitious woman and that's just my Dna and my makeup and who I am and I can't really change that it tried once didn't last very long was to stay at home mom for four months and that.


23:37.68

Sheri Chaney Jones

Um, yeah.


23:49.64

barlele

Is a little bit of a failure in my family maybe but maybe not, you know I don't know it's I think it depends on how you look at it and how you approach that and just kind of decided you know what I am ambitious and there are things to to share and have impact so I do think for the females out there who feel like they struggle with that.


23:51.78

Sheri Chaney Jones

Um, mean.


24:08.55

barlele

You know my therapist said this to me recently and I thought it was brilliant. She said tell your brain What you want it to know I think yeah like I'm about to get a ah big canvas and paint it and put it up on my wall so that I read it every day but I think particularly for.


24:15.75

Sheri Chaney Jones

Um, yeah.


24:27.92

barlele

Females trying to figure out what they want to do with their career rise up and the leadership links ranks tell your brain ladies what you want it to know it's about not saying no to yourself anymore and trying to figure out. Well, how can I go and nurture both my family and myself.


24:45.00

Sheri Chaney Jones

Um, even.


24:47.10

barlele

And my relationship with my partner if you have 1 in the end my life ambitions for the world and for impact. So.


24:53.64

Sheri Chaney Jones

Yeah, absolutely and my advice to any any young woman or older woman or any woman who's like I feel that I have this calling or this dream to start a business or if they're already the entrepreneur and they said I feel like I'm supposed to take it to the next level. Um. 1 I'll be your your biggest surely You're an advocate and say yes, let's make this happen but None what's always worked for me is just keep taking the next faithful step you know, hold that vision out there like you said tell your brain what you wanted to know or or you know put that vision of of where you want to be out there. And then just keep taking that next faithful step um, because it is. It can be scary. It can be daunting. It can be overwhelming but that next step is easy right? picking up the phone call and asking someone for advice is easy and then following up with. People that they recommend you talk to is easy and reading that book is easy and you know so that's how I have built everything is just what's that next step that doesn't feel scary because if I keep following those steps at least so far. It's gotten me to where I am today.


26:04.59

barlele

I Yeah, it seems like you've got a really open mindset to taking one step every day and you know where it takes you and I applaud you for that. Well let that oh.


26:09.67

Sheri Chaney Jones

Um, yeah, yeah, one of the something I had to do in the share Impact world is I had to raise money I had to take outside investment. Um, and. That was that was probably the most terrifying thing I've ever done in my life and um I challenged myself to basically reach out to at least every week 5 people I did not know because what the worst thing that they could say is no I don't want to talk to you. Since little things like that that have really big impact.


26:47.86

barlele

Yeah, exactly that's I love that the worst thing they can say is no yeah, exactly So let's wrap it up with I Want to hear about what's what's your favorite job that you ever had Besides what you do running your companies.


26:52.76

Sheri Chaney Jones

You.


27:01.36

Sheri Chaney Jones

Um, yeah.


27:06.88

Sheri Chaney Jones

Yeah I thought a lot of so I have I have loved a free job I've ever had. So I guess I'm really lucky in that regard. But if you made me.


27:07.43

barlele

And step back in time curious like me what was a job that you loved and why.


27:23.73

Sheri Chaney Jones

Say Really? What was your favorite Job. You ever had I would say it was outside running my companies. Um, in college I worked as a girl scout Camp counselor. Um, and I got paid to take young girls backpacking. Um, in primitive camping and caving and spulunking um horseback riding like just to get paid to go on those adventures and um, you know to me that we I wish I could do that? Always ah.


28:02.00

barlele

It does sound like yeah yeah, it does sound like a dream. Well, you're also lucky that you never had a job. You didn't like not everyone just say that.


28:02.30

Sheri Chaney Jones

Um, so that was 7


28:09.29

Sheri Chaney Jones

I mean I know I know I I do feel really lucky in that regard my very None job out. You know, besides babysitting was working ah for who is now my mother in law. But at the time was my boyfriend's mother and um, but at the. The bureau motor vehicles I sold driver's license at None and most a lot of people don't really like that job. But I love that job because it got it I got to interact with people and understand all the different people and it taught me what I wanted. What I didn't want to do when I grow up. But what I did want to do when I like you know so I just saw that as a really interesting life lesson and experience.


28:53.63

barlele

Yeah, that's great. It's sometimes about teaching yourself what you don't want to do and what's not for you and I love your positive perspective on that where you're like well it was okay because I learned what I didn't want to do and I learned a lot of things while I was there So that's great.


28:59.58

Sheri Chaney Jones

Same.


29:06.88

Sheri Chaney Jones

Um.


29:12.24

barlele

Well Sherry let's ah, let's hear where people can find you people want to get in touch with you. What's the best way. Best method. Best place to go to learn more about sure impact and Or're getting in touch with you and your team.


29:23.47

Sheri Chaney Jones

Yeah, so if you're interested in. You know, checking out our software and how share impact helps organizations better measure and communicate their unique impact I'd say go to http://sureimpact.com and if you're just interested in having a conversation with me about entrepreneurship or. Anything you want to learn about um the best way to find me is on Linkedin Sherry cheney- jones and then if you're looking for advice on creating an impact measurement culture I'd go check out measurement resources company which is if you Google measurement resources company. You'll find us. But we're measurement resources company Ceo or no, what are we. Measurement Resources C O Dot Com that's what we are.


30:06.59

barlele

So awesome. It's been a pleasure talking data shizzle and entrepreneurship shizzel oo that's a mouthful. Thanks everyone I hope you enjoyed the show today. Thank you Sheri for sharing your wisdom and your time with us. It was really a joy.


30:13.33

Sheri Chaney Jones

Awesome.


30:22.63

barlele

And I appreciate all that you do for our world hi. We'll see you next time folks.


30:23.98

Sheri Chaney Jones

Um, all right? Thank you.